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Thursday, May 11, 2006

The Problematic Legacy of Rav Soloveitchik

The orange embers of a thirteen year old controversy have been fanned. The echoes of the '93 Jewish Observer obituary of 'Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik Zichrono Livracha' have reverberated once again, for those with an ear to the J-Blog world to hear, with the aid of some amplification by those most offended by the obituary, or others who would speak in their name.

At the outset I want to express my opinion that the timing for such an obituary, which undeniably contains many points which are 'not-so-subtle' digs, as R' Gil calls them, was unfortunate and insensitive.

However, since thirteen years have passed since then, let us examine a sore point in the legacy of this great Rosh Yeshiva, and see if we can understand some of the frustration of those who mis-utilized the occasion of his passing to paint a less-than-perfect picture of the man so many thousands refer to as their Rav.

Yes, many thousands. And among them, people who feel they have absorbed the core elements of Rav Soloveitchik's philosophy in regard to Orthodoxy's role in the modern world. People who, in the view of the overwhelming majority of the Roshei Yeshiva who sat at his feet and toiled over his Torah thoughts, have distorted what 'the Rav' stood for both beyond recognition, and beyond the pale of Torah-true Orthodoxy.

"Edah Conference Claims Legacy of Rav Soloveitchik" blared a February of '99 headline of the Forward newspaper. Edah, guilty, in the view of five of the most prominent Roshei Yeshiva at RIETS, of Ziyuf HaTorah, breaches of Tzenius, and a haughty accusatory finger pointed at Rov Minyan Ubinyan of Shomrei Torah UMitzvos as somehow lacking sensitivity to the need for additional avenues of 'spirtiual expression and equality' for the women who feel 'unfulfilled' in their traditional, box-seat-in-Olam-Haba-earning, role.

Advocates who rush to the defense of Rav Soloveitchik will be quick to point out that many other Roshei Yeshiva have had Talmidim espouse philosophies incongruous with that of their mentors. They will point to such figures as Philip Berg of the Kabbalah Center, attendee of Torah VaDaas; a long list of Conservative Rabbis hailing from the hoary Torah institutions of America; and perhaps even hark back to the pre-War era of Europe, citing name after name of students of Volozhin, Slabodka, the Mirrer Yeshiva, and other citadels of Torah who were decidedly not representative of what those Roshei Yeshiva stood for.

These advocates would be missing the point entirely. Of course many Talmidim of the greatest Roshei Yeshiva in history have fallen into philosophies antithetical to, or distorting of, that of the Torah. But not one of them would lay claim to being the true bearers of the legacy of those Torah leaders. Bialik would never claim to be the true banner bearer for the Netziv, nor Berg for Rav Gedaliah Schorr, nor any Conservative Rabbi alumnus of Chaim Berlin for Rav Hutner.

Saul Berman and his group unabashedly lay claim to being the true Torah heirs to Rav Soloveitchik's weltanschaung.

The ability of MeZayefei Torah to lay claim to being his legatees, leaving the right wing segment of his Talmidim unable to categorically refute this claim as illegitimate, is testimony to the veracity of the assertion that Rav Soloveitchik did not do enough to cement his legacy as an unyielding defender of the Messorah.

Let us closely examine one element of Rabbi Moshe Tendler's indignant refutation of the 'digs' at Rav Soloveitchik sprinkled throughout this obituary:

"g) Wolpin cites the Jewish Week -an anti-Torah, Orthodox-bashing publication - to denigrate the Rav as one who vacillated on major issues confronting the Jewish community. In his zeal to belittle the Torah and its learners, he is prepared to accept the Jewish Week as a source of truth. How cheap can you get!?"

I understand this. But, where is the refutation of the substance of this claim? Wolpin is quoting the Jewish Week as an apt expression of his own feelings, not as a source for factual information. Why was the assertion not disproved in toto, instead of questioning the use of this publication as the source for it?

Apparently, there is some difficulty in expressing a categorical denial of the seeming lack of zeal on the part of this Marbitz Torah par excellence (no cynicism intended at all) to discredit all illegitmate pretenders to the mantle of leadership of the Modern Orthodox world.

Unfortunately, it seems that the wild-growing weeds not tended to by this masterful gardener of the 'vineyard of Yavneh', will mar the beauty of the Orthodox landscape for the foreseeable future.

184 Comments:

Blogger Mississippi Fred MacDowell said...

With all due respect, Berman isn't Bialik.

Basically, your criticism of him boils down to the fact that he was, be-shitta, tolerant and that he also, be-shitta, did not believe in making talmidim fit into a mold that resembled himself. This is precisely one of his virtues which his admirers, well, admire.

It certainly isn't objectively a bad thing, especially given that thousands of American boys and men needed this approach, as opposed to the other approach which prevails in the other yeshivos.

3:27 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

No. There's a world of difference between tolerance of divergent viewpoints and tolerance of misrepresentation of your own viewpoint.

Unless, of course, Edah is a legitimate expression of RYBS' Hashkafos. Well, that's a bigger problem.

3:35 PM  
Blogger Mississippi Fred MacDowell said...

>No. There's a world of difference between tolerance of divergent viewpoints and tolerance of misrepresentation of your own viewpoint.

Who was doing this before 1980 or so, when he was in full strength? After than, what could he do?

As far as I can tell, no one dared to do so before then. And he did speak out strongly on issues he felt were important. For example, denouncing R. Rackman's proposal to be mattir agunot.

As far as what his hashkafot were, obviously there are hashkafot of his which you do not share, e.g., women learning Talmud. But that is no different than the fact that R. Aharon Kotler had hashkafot which I do not share.

3:47 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

As far as I can tell, no one dared to do so before then.

Rabbi Riskin?

How about the Maaseh in either Nefesh or MiPeninei HaRav about the Talmid who asked someone else to ask a Shaala that when the answer that he wanted was not forthcoming he could say that he never asked RYBS? Did RYBS censure him?

And, why is it that after 1984 no one seems to get RMF or RYK so terribly wrong, but from 1980 on there is SO MUCH room for error in RYBS, because he left no clear guidelines on what he really held on issues that are not substantially different today than they were in 1979 regarding women's issues?

And, if the gap between the JO Hashkafos and RYBS is as wide as between Edah and RAK - what would you expect an Edah obit to write about RAK? (again, the timing issue left aside, as I stated that this was insensitive).

4:04 PM  
Anonymous ayhb said...

It's actually simple. 99.9% of Roshei Yeshiva dealt with the automaton. They spoke from the cloistered shelter of black and white viewpoints on black and white issues. The Rav was just so superior in the range of issues and the types of Talmidim he enfranchised, it was always going to be the case that less would understand his sophisticated messages. One only has to read a collection of his letters, even today, to be thunderstruck at the sophistry of his thought. His viewpoints are very clear on matters he wrote about. As to Mipi Hashmuo, he is in very good company. Let's take the Tannoim and ask how it was that Amoraim couldn't get their teachings straight and had to write such a Megila trying to analyse just about every Mishna in Bavli and Yerushalmi.

I re-read and Community, Covenant and Commitment and I just could not stop shaking my head with wonderment at the incredible thought and care that he put into every written word. Peh Mapik Margoluyos. His lessons are for today.

Yehey Nishmoso Eyden

5:56 AM  
Anonymous ahyb said...

I forgot to mention, another Gadol who is constantly misquoted, dissected, and subject to invented confusion and obscurantism was the Rav's cousin, Reb Moshe Feinstein, ztl.

Why? Very simple. He paskened as he saw fit and didn't wear a borsalino because it was the in thing to do. There are just so many examples ranging from the intellectually dishonest calisthenics designed to send his Tshuvo of Cholov HaKampanies to some B'Dieved for Shvakher Menchen and he never meant it, through to his well known view that Gram Kibuy on Yom Tov is Muttar.

Heck, they burnt the Rambam's books.

I see it as a sign of greatness.

Those who prefer to waddle in penguin formation, go right ahead, but leave us endangered species alone.

8:47 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

They spoke from the cloistered shelter of black and white viewpoints on black and white issues.

That is a ridiculous statement to make about the likes of Rav Moshe, Rav Yaakov Kamenetzky, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, R' Yechezkel Abramsky and other moderates.

and the types of Talmidim he enfranchised,

THAT'S THE PROBLEM, SEE? He enfranchised Mezayefei Torah, and even some Apikorsim Mamash, as legitimate Talmidim of his, and he never protested the abuse of his name in the context of adhering to opinions that were not really representative of his opinions. It's one thing to have his Talmidim misunderstand him, but it is a major problem if people openly distort you in a way which is a Bechiya LeDoros and you do nothing about it!

to be thunderstruck at the sophistry of his thought.

I don't think you meant that.

His viewpoints are very clear on matters he wrote about.

Except where he told different Talmidim otherwise, as is well known.

Let's take the Tannoim and ask how it was that Amoraim couldn't get their teachings straight and had to write such a Megila trying to analyse just about every Mishna in Bavli and Yerushalmi.

That's a rotten comparison considering that the Amoraim couldn't really ask the Tannaim, and the Tannaim weren't around to correct the distortions.

There are just so many examples ranging from the intellectually dishonest calisthenics designed to send his Tshuvo of Cholov HaKampanies to some B'Dieved for Shvakher Menchen and he never meant it

He actually has a written Teshuva that for Baalei Nefesh it is not proper to rely on his Kulla.

Those who prefer to waddle in penguin formation, go right ahead, but leave us endangered species alone.

I would expect you to be more respectful toward people without whom Torah learning would be very dead.

9:37 PM  
Anonymous ayhb said...

I'm not going to dignify your attempt at making anyone who makes the statement that the Rav spoke on matters and to people that many other Gedolim didn't touch, some sort of MeVaZeh Talmidey Chachomim.

Do not be under any misapprehension that it is an order of magnitude to give black and white pronouncements to a unitarian population. The fact that the Rav dealt with issues of far greater sophistication and to a far more varied and demanding kehilla does not reflect on the Gadlus of others. Rather, it highlights the giant the Rav was. And incidentally, most of the so called "machlokesin" on "what did the Rav mean/say" actually occurred after his Petiroh, like the Amoraim, and what is more it is also well known that the competent Posek will often give one answer to one Shoel, and another to a different one.

These are simple matters that a Meyvin knows and understands.

Any attempt to Beshmirtz the name of the Rav on this basis is fanciful and transparent.

Go and read his letters in "Community, Covenant and Committment". They provide an incredible insight into this most sensitive and sophisticated Gaon, a man who like the Lubavitcher Rebbe and Rav Hutner was able to speak B'Loshon B'Ney Odom due to their exposure to such.
Exposure being the key to this.
Obviously the Gadol who doesn't have an Amcho who is exposed has far simpler and straightforward messages to pass on.

As to the Baal Nefesh, Reb Moshe himself drank Cholov HaKomapnies, ask his family. It's not the only issue and let's not get too caught up in it. What did occur, and there can be no doubt, is that when Reb Moshe stood out and provided an innovative hetter, he was attacked from pillar to post, his words were twisted, he was placed under pressure. He was a giant as well, even if the Satmerer put him in Cherem. Yawn. Take out Shmiras Shabbos Kehilchoso Chelek Aleph and compare it Chelek Bes. Why was there a Chelek Bes? We all know. Again, the innovators come under great pressure from the homogenised.

10:57 PM  
Anonymous ayhb said...

Correction: I didn't intend to write Chelek Aleph and Chelek Bes, I meant EDITION Aleph and EDITION Beis for chelek Aleph. And no, it wasn't just the usual typos.

2:35 AM  
Blogger Bari said...

I'm not going to dignify your attempt at making anyone who makes the statement that the Rav spoke on matters and to people that many other Gedolim didn't touch, some sort of MeVaZeh Talmidey Chachomim.

More often than not, Bizui talmidei Chachamim is not in what you say, but how you say it.



You still fail to miss the point that the fact that he spoke about 'broader' issues (which really just means he was more willing to make concessions to the crowd he was dealing with - which is not, in and of itself,necessarily a bad thing) is no excuse for leaving a legacy of Talmidim, abusing his name, to the extent that it spurred one his (not black hat) Talmidim Muvhakim (Leis Man DePalig that he is certainly one of them, I can say no more) to tell me that RYBS positive Torah legacy is overshadowed by this Bechiya LeDoros.

And bringing out other situations where other Poskim were under pressure to retract Psakim of theirs is completely not germane to the fact that RYBS himself did not do enough, in light of his allowances to pull a bit left, to clearly demarcate the left foul pole.

9:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...'broader' issues (which really just means he was more willing to make concessions to the crowd he was dealing with - which is not, in and of itself,necessarily a bad thing)

Just another example of simplistic minds failing to grasp breadth and complexity (--actually, you suffer from the same problem as the Edah champions). Read the Rav's Uvikashtem Misham, or his Halakhic Mind, or any of the meotzar harav volumes. The Rav was not simply a maggid shiur of the very highest caliber-- he was a baal machshava of almost unprecedented breadth of vision and depth of insight. Of course it is predictable that someone of unparralled range and depth is likely to be misunderstood by lesser, simpler minds-- both the left-wing and right-wing revisionists (though generally the latter's distortions are less egregious). They want to ride the coattails of a giant, and so they cop his name to their enterprise. Those who truly knew the Rav have definitively refuted them (see RAL's letter to the Forward). Does any of this diminish from the fact that the Rav was, if not sui generis, then at least a gadol sheb'gdolim in every sense?

10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First, the Rav was not well when Edah was formed, if he was still alive at all. After his death they put him on their banner.

Second, your logic leads to some absurd conclusions. Historically, great damage has been done by sects claiming the mantle of the Rambam. Whether it be his taamei hamitzvos, which heretics would point to as proof that mitzvas are not relevant anymore, or the concept of shvil hazahav, which Conservatives etc. love to point to as legitimizing "balance" between modernity and tradition, the Rambam has been misunderstood and misappropriated from time immemoriam. In his own lifetime and after (see the fascinating correspondence between the Ramah, the Rash MiShantz, and R. Yehonosan MiLunil, printed at the end of the Ramah on Sanhedrin) the Rambam was thought to have gotten rid of the concept of techiyas hameisim. I guess the Chareidishe velt should hesitate to do or say anything that might imply some sort of association with the Rambam!

But why stop at the Rambam? After all, doesn't the Raavad, in hilchos teshuva, explain that people were led people astray to believe that the Ribbono shel Olam has a guf (chalila)" לפי מה שראו במקראות ויותר ממה שראו בדברי האגדות המשבשות את הדעות"?

Granted that chazal, the ba'alei "ha'aggot hameshabshos es hadaas", may not have been around to correct these impressions. But the Ribbono shel Olam is surely both around and fully capable of denouncing those people.
Should the chareidim disassociate from him??

9:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that should be "from Hhim".

9:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry, "from Him".

9:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obviously, my point is that there will always be people who intentionally or otherwise will misunderstand and misinterpret the legacy of great figures. But that does not at all take away from that figure's greatness.

My guess is that the current Chareidi movers and shakers simply do not grasp the Rav and what he was all about.

9:35 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

First, the Rav was not well when Edah was formed, if he was still alive at all. After his death they put him on their banner.

The writing for Edah's philosophy and its adherents was all over the wall. It didn't come from thin air. Some of those Talmidim held those opinion for decades.

I guess the Chareidishe velt should hesitate to do or say anything that might imply some sort of association with the Rambam!

If there were a Chashash of a denial of Techiyas HaMeisim gaining legitimacy today by an influential swath of the Rambam's Talmidim, there might be some comparison.

Secondly, we're not talking about "disassociation", we're talking about a "problematic legacy". And, yes, the Rambam also left a problematic legacy. His books were not burned, and the Rivash and the Gra didn't say that some of his De'os were affected by philosophy, for no reason.

The comparison to the Ribbono Shel Olam is amusing.

Please email me.

10:36 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

And I would appreciate if you could convincingly demonstrate that the idea that Edah has, that they are legitimate legatees of RYBS, is completely unfounded.

10:38 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

Obviously, my point is that there will always be people who intentionally or otherwise will misunderstand and misinterpret the legacy of great figures. But that does not at all take away from that figure's greatness.

It depends if there was what to be done by that figure, to deny that foreseeable misunderstanding, or misinterpretation, if there was one, from gaining traction.

10:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

His books were not burned, and the Rivash and the Gra didn't say that some of his De'os were affected by philosophy, for no reason.

As long as it's clear that the Rav is in pretty good company.

Ironically, but not surprisingly if you understand him, the Rav himself, in his Halakhic Mind, criticised the Rambam for adopting philosophies alien to Yahadus in his Moreh. He expounds at length how the Rambam of the Yad haChazaka is a much profounder expositor of Jewish philosophical truths than the Maimonidies of the Guide.

Of course, this last statement will be totally incomprehensible to those who don't understand the Rav and what he was doing.

The comparison to the Ribbono Shel Olam is amusing

I thought so too.

Please email me.

What is your address?

And I would appreciate if you could convincingly demonstrate that the idea that Edah has, that they are legitimate legatees of RYBS, is completely unfounded.

Will do. But you should just know personally that there isn't a shadow of a doubt that they are not.

11:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about the Maaseh in either Nefesh or MiPeninei HaRav about the Talmid who asked someone else to ask a Shaala that when the answer that he wanted was not forthcoming he could say that he never asked RYBS? Did RYBS censure him?

Perfect example-- why do you think the Rav was aware of what had transpired? There is no reason to believe that he was.

Derech agav, JJ Schachter has claimed that that was not the reason that R. Riskin asked him to ask the Rav. It was because R. Riskin felt that he was getting on the Rav's nerves by pestering him about women's issues (the Rav had apparently not been very sympathetic), and he felt he could get a "more objective answer" if the question came from someone else. I'm not saying that this is laudable, but it is quite different than allowing him the option of ignoring the Rav's psak.


The writing for Edah's philosophy and its adherents was all over the wall.

Even if this were true, and I don't think it neccessarily is, the Rav was too busy learning and teaching Torah to pay any attention to the walls.

-Haben

11:38 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

As long as it's clear that the Rav is in pretty good company.

If we're taking that approach, so are his detractors. :)

My address is bariveshema@gmail.com

Will do. But you should just know personally that there isn't a shadow of a doubt that they are not.

I tend to agree. My problem is not in that he would approve, which, I indicate again and again, is not so likely. My problem is in that he did not do enough to disapprove of the Talmidim who were using his name, even during his (active) lifetime, to espouse views that were falsifications.

Like I said, since he realized he was going further left than his contemporaries, it was absolutely critical that he mark off the left foul pole, and not at Tekias Shofar in C synagogues. I don't think enough was done to head off the usurpation, since it had gone on, fairly unchecked, during his lifetime.

11:38 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

the Rav was too busy learning and teaching Torah to pay any attention to the walls.

WADR, that is not an exoneration, its an excuse. To be too busy learning or teaching Torah to pay attention to the walls, while being a Manhig Yisrael, espousing opinions that differed from those of Rov Gedolim, that can easily slide, and were sliding, into Churban, and his contemporaries were warning all over the place of the dangers of Modern Orthodoxy, (see Mishnas Rav Aharon from Rav Aharon Kotler, in his Hesped on the Brisker Rav, to this effect) is not a correct course of action. You can't be oblivious to consequences of your decisions.

11:49 PM  
Anonymous Steve Brizel said...

I recently wrote on R Harry's blog about R S Berman's recent article in the Jewish Press as to why Edah was closing up shop. I stand by my analysis that Edah represents a substantial distortion of RYBS's thought as well as that of other Gdolim that Edah claims as its intellectual and spiritual predecessors.

IIRC, Edah was started years after RYBS's Petirah. FWIW, R D Lamm deserves much credit in resisting the lure of Edah and in championing the RY of RIETS. Edah was funded and championed by many prominent LW MO Baale Batim but never obtained any real traction outside of those who attended the conferences, surfed its website or viewed the problematic articles in its journal as authoritative.

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