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Tuesday, May 02, 2006

Hakaras HaTov to the defenders of the Medinah

Talmud Yerushalmi Chagiga 1:7
תני ר"ש בן יוחי אם ראית עיירות שנתלשו ממקומן בארץ ישראל דע שלא החזיקו בשכר סופרים ומשנים מה טעמא (ירמיהו ט) על מה אבדה הארץ נצתה כמדבר מבלי עבר ויאמר ה' על עזבם את תורתי רבי יודן נשייא שלח לרבי חייה ולר' אסי ולר' אמי למיעבור בקירייתא דארעא דישראל למתקנה לון ספרין ומתניינין עלין לחד אתר ולא אשכחון לא ספר ולא מתניין אמרין לון אייתון לן נטורי קרתא אייתון לון סנטורי
קרתא אמרון לון אילין אינון נטורי קרתא לית אילין אלא חרובי קרתא אמרין לין ומאן אינון נטורי קרתא אמר לון ספרייא ומתנייניא הדא היא דכתיב (תהילים קכז) אם ה' לא יבנה בית וגו'
Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai taught: If you see cities that have been uprooted from their places in Eretz Yisrael, you should know that they did not maintain the wages of the teachers of Mikra and Mishnah. What is the reason (source)? (Yirmiyahu 9) "Why was the land lost, scorched like the desert with no passersby? And Hashem said, for they have forsaken my Torah".
Rabbi Yudan the Nassi sent Rabbi Chiya, Rabbi Assi and Rabbi Ami to pass through the cities of the Land of Israel, to establish teachers of Mikra and Mishna. They went to one place and they had no teachers of Mikra or Mishnah. They said (to the inhabitants): "Bring us the guardians of the city!". They brought them the watchmen of the city. They said to them: "These are the guardians of the city? These are the destroyers of the city!" They said (to the Rabbis): "And who are the guardians of the city?" They replied: "The teachers of Mikra and Mishnah". As it states (Tehillim 127): "...If Hashem will not guard a city, in vain does the watchman keep his vigil".
So this Yom HaAtzmaut, let us show our Hakaras Hatov to the guardians of the State.
Give the Rabbeim a nice raise.

13 Comments:

Blogger chardal said...

For a more balanced approach, see Rav Shmuelevitch's sichos mussar during and after the Yom Kippur war.

The gemara in menachos is clear that both spiritual AND physical hishtadlus is necessary for success. (“What should someone do if they want children? He should marry. But many married and had no children. He should pray. But many pray and have no children. Each one does not help without the other.” The gemara repeats this for other circumstances. There is no reason not to apply it to war. Omri was made successful in battle because he added one city to Israel (and the city was meant to compete with yerushalaim!)).

1:56 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

No disrespect meant to the Chayalim, Chalila. Just let's not forget in whose merit the Jews are successful in battle.

And dare I add, maybe, um, ahem, that budget cuts to Ta"ttim and Yeshivos which prevent the Rabbeim from getting paid are not the best recipe to holding on to territory in Eretz Yisrael. Say, Gaza.

Food for thought.

2:10 PM  
Blogger chardal said...

Also Rav Gustman's response to his yeshiva boys during the war:

"If I was your age and able, I would be with the soldiers."

(He also made them sleep in boots during the war and told them to learn in "army conditions." That is, don't waste a moment of the day. A moment of bittul Torah is inexcusable for a yeshiva bachur during war.

2:10 PM  
Blogger chardal said...

And dare I add, maybe, um, ahem, that budget cuts to Ta"ttim and Yeshivos which prevent the Rabbeim from getting paid are not the best recipe to holding on to territory in Eretz Yisrael.

True enough, but the list of possible sins which lead to these sort of disasters is very long - hard to just pin it on one thing.

2:11 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

hard to just pin it on one thing.

It was hard to miss the connection in the case of Gush Katif and the budget cuts.

But like I said, fft.

2:27 PM  
Blogger chardal said...

It was hard to miss the connection in the case of Gush Katif and the budget cuts.

Ya but the midrash implies that the cities themselves did not care about tt. Where in the vast majority of yeshuvim in gush katif, the people invested heavily in Torah institutions to the point of creating independent associations to raise money for better schools. The average parent there spent an extra 400 to 800 shekels a month (!) on each child.

2:35 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

Ya but the midrash implies that the cities themselves did not care about tt. Where in the vast majority of yeshuvim in gush katif, the people invested heavily in Torah institutions to the point of creating independent associations to raise money for better schools. The average parent there spent an extra 400 to 800 shekels a month (!) on each child.

Apparently, it doesn't go by who is inhabiting the city, but by who is in charge of guarding it...

2:49 PM  
Anonymous daat y said...

Youcan't even concede a point to chardal-he agrees with you on the importance of Torah learning-but even God tells us to defend ourseles and to attack when necessary.

3:39 PM  
Anonymous daat y said...

That is not being Bari-that is being stubborn.

3:41 PM  
Blogger Bari said...

daat y,

I "conceded" that point. I said in the very next comment - "No disrespect meant to the Chayalim, Chalila". That means I recognize and honor their defense of Jewish lives.

3:41 PM  
Anonymous mevaseretzion said...

Wow, Bari, if you would just for a minute realize that you and chardal share the same view here, instead of your constant need to bicker with him, maybe we could see some of that achdus that we need so badly. Too bad...

8:41 AM  
Blogger Jak Black said...

For those demanding that Bari concede the point, you keep missing it. He admits the army's role, but merely, in this post, wants to highlight the role of the OTHER defenders, the Torah sages.

At any rate, I couldn't agree more that all Rabbeiim need raises. I can think of precisely one fellow teacher that lives on his salary alone. The rest live on a combination of parents (primarily,) wives' salary, and additional (and terribly draining) jobs. It's really sad.

9:25 AM  
Blogger Bari said...

Sorry I couldn't respond right away, I was out of town being Menachem Avel.

Jak is right that I agree with Chardal regarding the role of the Chayalim.

And he's right about the dismal state of Mechanchim salaries, especially in Eretz Yisrael. When I interviewed for a position in one of the Mosdos there, the Rosh Yeshiva told me straight out that the salary will not cover cost of living.

It is the spiritual reward which draws Rabbein into the business, but "Im Ain Kemach Ain Torah".

7:47 AM  

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